A Few Random Questions [Archive]

MCW

12-04-2003, 09:46 PM

Well if there was a king of darkness it would be god yes, why would the "ultimate good" create evil, who knows another flaw in religion.

In the first matrix, Neo learned how to move faster than the rest of the world thought, he figured out he could use the matrix to his advantage and move faster, like the agents. So in a sense he can move at the same speed they do, dodge bullets like they can. But since its just a movie and not real, they fail to be consistant with it.

As for the other characters "not Neo" like Morphous and Trinity, the both get their share of hits and get knocked down quite easily when facing an Agent, happened many times in the 2nd movie, Im still a bit fuzzy on the 3rd on, so I have no refrences from there.

I hope this has aswered your question, If it doesn't then only god or the people who created the matrix know the answer.

Tadashya

12-04-2003, 09:50 PM

remember.. there is no spoon.

there is only spork

Ciarin

12-04-2003, 09:55 PM

SPORK!!!

Satarus

12-04-2003, 09:56 PM

Ahhh sporks, a combonation of spoon and fork that does the job of neither.

Keiran

12-04-2003, 10:05 PM

Haha, that's why they're so cool, Satarus. The greatest stupid invention of all time they are. :D

Ciarin

12-04-2003, 10:07 PM

pet rock is even stupider!

Keiran

12-04-2003, 10:14 PM

True, but I was measuring the greatness of the stupid idea. The pet rock is a stupider idea, but the spork is more *marvelously* stupid. It's a marvel of misengineering!

DarKatan

12-06-2003, 02:12 PM

1. Actually technically Satan IE: Lucifer the Morning star (was a sun god before Christianity arrived and stole him and turned him into the malignant force in their religion...Cerunnos the forest lord was stolen to become the current cartoon image of Satan with horns and Satyr attributes) Doesnt exist...it is a fabrication. The concept is a simple one...love thy neighbor unless he does something bad then leave town before it is annihilated by a vengeful God...or people turn bad so God floods the earth saving only 1 mans family(hello incest nations)....and of course if a man is an adulterer slap him on the hand...if a woman is an adulterer she should be stoned to death...and finally you know women arent people right?

2. Its a movie...then again if Neo is so powerful why does he need to fight anyone why cant he just invert gravity around him and smash them into infintesimal packets of 3D generated flesh? Why does it take him 20 minutes to take out 5 guys? Why if he can stop bullets can't he reverse their acceleration...or...oh nm...thankfully its a movie...if it wasnt I would have to hit someone with something.

Have fun!

Fromter_McStabbins

12-11-2003, 12:56 PM

Neither of them are real, satan OR god.

Kaylen

12-11-2003, 01:00 PM

Well, that's a good way to start an argument. Right now there is no real proof for or against deities existing.. so it's an opinion.

The Unforgiving

12-11-2003, 01:09 PM

Somehow, I saw this potential argument comming from the start.

Go fig.

Radical Edward

12-11-2003, 01:11 PM

I think polytheseism more likely, running the world is to much work for one god.

Kaylen

12-11-2003, 01:22 PM

I sort of saw it coming, and am rather surprised it took this long.

I've explained my beliefs before, in what was the best thread on religion in the history of the world, because no one was lit on fire. I'd repeat them, but I don't really remember them.

Nemishan

12-11-2003, 01:36 PM

i'm keeping an eye on this thread. if things get too out of hand, it may be locked without warning.

-Nemishan

Serresrelic

12-11-2003, 01:37 PM

That's why I'm not even going to express my view on this subject. This type of discussion is doomed to deteriorate into argument and hurt feelings because of one simple reason.

No matter how objectively you try and express your opinion, religion is a subject that deals with where we come from, how the universe exists, and our own faith and beliefs system. With a subject as high powered as that, it's very hard for some people (myself included) to be able to express their opinion and listen to other opinions without reacting emotionally.

This isn't whether GW is a good president or not, or whether EQ is top dog. This is the very meaning of life and existance and what it means to people.

Ciarin

12-11-2003, 01:42 PM

I'm sure if we just keep it light and silly and abstract, no arguments should arise....

this is the "special philisophical" discussion, in a "special" forum.

And also, I always thought the modern concept of satan was modeled after the greek pan, or the roman bacchus. And the "devil", imo, comes from India.

God rules the darkness according to the bible. I'll look up the passage later. For some reason people find it odd that I have 3 bibles...

and as for the matrix, you'll understand more if you watch the animatrix...which totally rocks!

Coffee

12-11-2003, 02:37 PM

The answers will continue to change, but the questions remain constant. It is the questions that drive us; the questions that make us human. The answers are of no consequence.

And I'm starting to sound like a vorlon, so unlike them I'll shut up at this point.

Kaylen

12-11-2003, 03:13 PM

Sweet, sweet Babylon 5..

Though you were ringing "Matrix" to me.

As proven by the last thread awhile ago, unless my memory is faulty; most people in this forum can keep their heads on enough to have a conversation about anything. Every now and then, though, you'll get the one who takes it all a little too personally (like me, for example).

But Serresrelic had a good point.. most people do take this very personally, which is understandable.

Anyway.. at least the questions originally asked have been answered. 42.

Rhiamon Fatesealer

12-11-2003, 03:16 PM

Just keep your homicidal urges out of it Kaylen, and it should all be gravy. ;)

Just teasing you hon, don't take offense

Shaokai

12-11-2003, 03:18 PM

You see, god is like a spork really. He covers a wide varity of uses...is he good, is he evi....is he a spoon, or is he a fork. He's both. He is everything, yet he is nothing....It is not left up to man to judge the actions of god as good or evil...he is perfect, their for his actions can be nothing but perfect as well..

I couldn't pass up the oppurtunity to compare God to a Spork.

As a good friend of mine used to put it:

"God is Dead" - Nietzsche

" Nietzsche is dead " - God

Coffee

12-11-2003, 09:54 PM

I think it's all the "whys" that made me think B5 Kaylen.

Then of course there is the other question:
"What do you want?"

Right now what I want more than anything is a baseball bat and 10 minutes alone with some orange road-construction barrels.

Dr.Gonzo

12-12-2003, 03:59 AM

The greatest thing about religion (or lack of) is the diversity in which the being that created us offers. I think it is about comfort. Thousands of architypes swirling in the universe to create a conduit between the "I AM" and the "hence you are". If it is the lack of belief or a strict decipline, it is there and you are comforted or maybe just justified. There doesnt have to be anything or alot of things, its only for you to decide and secure yourself against a sense of reality. That has to be why no belief has won out against all others, because the creator wanted diversity over one song. Who wouldnt prefer cable over local if you are into TV. Personaly, being an extremely lax christian married to an aescetrue (sp?), I like the idea of "you know what you're suposed to be doing without anyone ever having to yell at you, and so what if you dont because someone has to fill every role at least once". May not make alot of sense but I believe that this way is the most loving way to go.

Dogma: "you can change an idea, changing a belief is trickier".

Im not sure if Im going to far, I thought this may be appropriate since it is in acceptance of all beliefs. If not trash it, plz.

Iiliani Seadream

12-12-2003, 05:31 AM

Assuming for the moment they both exist:
Is God good, or is He evil?
Popular conception says He is good. Why? Because He says so, perhaps. Or because that is what the majority believe.

Those who believe He is evil, or perhaps 'cruel', tend to be those who have had horrible things happen with no reason, or justification.
And there will be those who will argue, 'no that wasn't God, that was Satan'. There is no real practical way to tell.

I personally like to believe He is good. It is comforting to me to think that when I die, good things will happen, such as going to Heaven, seeing lost loved ones again (I hope my little doggie isn't chewing up the carpets too badly up there, he was a bugger for that) and getting the answers to all those questions that bugged us. Such as 'why do those bad things happen to good people?'

And I like to think that there is a God, He is good, and even if he can't put his hands around me and protect me from every little thing that occurs in my life, He will at least always love me, no matter what mistakes I make.
One of my favourite psalms is called 'Footprint's, and sums it up a little. (I would link it, but can't search for it at work, sorry).

To think that there is something after death can help give meaning to life, not just in terms of God, but all religions, such as those that believe in re-incarnation, where the sins of a past life will be expiated in a future one.
I don't think most people are happy with the thought that all you get is 'your life, the end', especially if your life is not that happy.
Anyway, I am starting to ramble and go off topic here, so I think I will stop.

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 05:36 AM

why can't he be both?

Iiliani Seadream

12-12-2003, 05:38 AM

Because then he wouldn't be God he would be human, perhaps...
and thinking that God is a human is not very comforting! :/

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 05:44 AM

Why would he be human? There are plenty of various gods throughout mythology that are both good and evil, or control aspects thereof. I don't consider them to be human.

Kaylen

12-12-2003, 05:56 AM

I believe that there is nothing after life. That when I die that will be it, game over. I think it is better to give meaning to my life myself, through living, rather than hope dying does it for me.

Sometimes it makes me sad to see people living their whole lives for someone who may or may not exist. Of course, they obviously have enough faith to keep on and believe in it, but if there is a god in the Christian sense then I highly doubt he will persecute me for enjoying my life. Of course, some people do some weird things that entertain them (like serial killers), so morals are a pre-requisite for living my life.

But I really don't believe in that, because looking at history.. it seems to me man created god, not the other way around. The closest thing to what I believe is the Force, except I'm not going to whip out a lightsaber and try to use "force powers" or anything. I believe in the universe, and that the energy of the universe is in all things.. and that I will return to that energy when I die. I also accept death as a part of life and the natural order, so it does not bother me so much to think I will never see dead loved ones again.

And here I am, explaining on a simple level my beliefs.. oh well.

Oh, please don't take any of this personally - by saying I accept death as a part of life, I'm not saying no one else does, and of course you may still want to see loved ones again.

As a side-note, if God is all knowing.. then he knew what Lucifer would become. So if he does not control evil and all things directly, he still brought it into this world.

Dr.Gonzo

12-12-2003, 05:57 AM

There have many duelist religions throughout history and are alive today. They believe that their deity is the perfect unison of good and evil, balance, and it is only through this deity can one gain sovereinty over the good and the bad within oneself and find harmony. I think that sounds very comforting =)

Also, since christian dogma, i think it is in romans where God says that he will move the hearts of men according to his plan and we are in not to judge, hence the whole thing about the God hardening the pharoah's (sp?) heart. This caused the Plagues and great amount of death and suffering. This can be seen as evil, or you can cosider that to serve him in anyway will grant you his gifts, or you can disregard what I say, and hold tight to what comforts you the most.
I actualy came to college on a full scholarship and had a free ride to go to seminary, but after alot of conversations like this my elders and I agreed that while I couldnt be disproved through the canon I wasnt agreed with by the church. Also, because I am alot more "eat, drink, and be merry in your toils" than most. Just wish we all would have decided to end this path before my 3rd year into my studies, and yes religious studies are hard. Wished had finished hebrew and greek though, as well as the other languages you learn in seminary.

Kat

12-12-2003, 05:59 AM

There is a different perspective when a person is viewing religion as mythology and an interesting concept, than from when a person truly "believes" the religion is 100% actual based on the texts, traditions, etc.

It is a nice story and set of thoughts and tenents to one, and complete reality for another.

I've always wondered if someday, if what I believe is not true, there will be a society that looks back on Christianty as a mythology. I can hear a professor now, "One of the longest practiced religions of ancient times was Christianity..."

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 06:23 AM

Well, I wouldn't say longest......

Kat

12-12-2003, 06:33 AM

I didn't say the longest. Besides, I was talking about the future - so I made it up. Since I didn't say when in the future my example can still be true. Religions could have risen and fallen in that unspecified time.

Currently it may not be the longest practiced religion.[/u]

Dr.Gonzo

12-12-2003, 06:50 AM

Kat, still new at PC symbols, what is [/u]?

Dr.Gonzo

12-12-2003, 07:13 AM

God isnt linear, he exist outside of measurements and such. So it is hard to conceive that God KNEW satan was ABOUT to betray him because those are measured events represent with labels used to convey emotions in a limited vocal communication of concepts. Our labels may not always even mean the same thing from one person to another, so it may be faulty and limited in what is perceived by us. In theory, for Lucifers story to work, you have to do away with time and space, or at least accept that your perception is limited to charactures and concepts that exist in this plane and scratch them. Then, I believe Lucifer (this is indeed a name given to this archetype by humans, his name may have actualy been Eek Shabaz, or he may have only been refered to as a highly intellegent shade of blue[props to Douglas Adams, who as far as I know had nothing to do with satan in Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy], again it is only a label, origins arent realy important) was able to betray God because, he was God's first attempt at creating a creature that would choose to love him. The first experiment in free will. God had to remove his control over Lucifer and dare to be loved, and because God worked to create something he could love in return "Lucifer" was the most beautiful of all existence.

Also I think the casinos in EQ are a perfect example of all knowing. The dice can land on any number between 1 and 1000, this time it choose to land on 472, but the roller KNEW ALL of the numbers the dice could have landed on.

I think it is lofty to believe that our limited abillity to communicate can define and measure the infinite possibilities of what God may actually be. That is why I gave up seminary, because while I knew what I felt, I couldnt disgard all of the different beliefs of every other human, and I dont think God (my choice of a label for concept beyond my capacities may be) ever wanted us to do that. I think he would be happier if we accepted him in all the ways he has chosen to represent his people.

Im gonna cut myself off here, and apologize if I have been annoying, I just dont get to have these kinda discussion anymore. thanks for listening though =)

Kat

12-12-2003, 07:15 AM

Kat, still new at PC symbols, what is [/u]?

[/u] is actually the end point for making text underlined. When it shows up in my post all alone like that, it means I clicked on the /u button and didn't see that it went down at the last part of my post and went ahead and added the code myself.

oops! :oops:

Dr.Gonzo

12-12-2003, 07:25 AM

Ahhhhhhhhh, got it [/u]

Zyndor Fyrmane

12-12-2003, 09:04 AM

It has been modeled that in a perfect vacuum small explosions of matching pairs of matter and antimatter spontaneously apear and then annilate them selves. It has also been hypothesized that our known universe is a very large version of one said explosion. We, are just a small eddy in this large explosion. We are less than blink in the infinity of time. The universe in its vastness, may be just a small miniscule flash in the pan that will eventually cease to exist.
I have read a book called "The Theory of Everything" and it postulated this question:
Three elements exist
1) the Universe
2) the laws of physics
3) God

The question is which is the independent variable?

Are God and the laws of physics defined by our Universe, and outside that boundry the other 2 do not exist?

Do the laws of physics define our Universe and are the same in other possible universes, which have other all powerful beings.

Does god define what our laws of physics are, what the bounds of our universe are.

My question is this does time exist if there is no one to measure it?

These are just some of my random thoughts. Thoughts that I have all the time. Sometimes I wish I could just sit and not think, but my mind is always churning, and it leaves me restless.

Iiliani Seadream

12-12-2003, 09:58 AM

Does time exist if there is no one to measure it?
Hmm I would say yes because things would still keep happening one after the other, so time must must exist for them to happen in?

Meeshter

12-12-2003, 10:21 AM

why do hotdogs come in packages of 6 and hot dog buns come in packages of 8?

Coffee

12-12-2003, 10:35 AM

why do hotdogs come in packages of 6 and hot dog buns come in packages of 8?

So you would have to buy 4 packages of hot dogs and 3 packages of buns to have the same amount of both, naturally.

Rhiamon Fatesealer

12-12-2003, 10:38 AM

What branch were you studying for Gonzo? Catholic? Just wondering.

I think that any intelligent person, no matter what they actually believe, has to admit the possibility that there is no god. I have faith that there is a god like I was taught as a child. But I also have to recognize the possibility that I'm wrong. Which seems simple enough, but my mother freaked when I told her that, and I think there's a lot of people like that out there.

Kudane

12-12-2003, 10:41 AM

Why do hot-dogs come in packages of 10, and hotdog buns in packages of 8?

Why do we Park on Driveways, and Drive on Parkways?

Why do we call them apartments, when they are all stuck together?

Coffee

12-12-2003, 10:44 AM

This will probably make no sense, but what I believe is what I believe. Oh sure, it's a theory, and one that is neither provable nor dis-provable. But what is important to me is that I believe it; or rather, not that I believe it, but that I believe it.

Rhiamon Fatesealer

12-12-2003, 12:12 PM

Makes perfect sense Coffee. The only thing that is important is that its what you believe. Other people's opinions of said beliefs are of no importance.

Kaylen

12-12-2003, 03:41 PM

No, they're not - and this is clearly a topic where no minds will be changed, because in most cases it's not really the mind's decision.

I enjoy hearing other opinions, though. I'm probably in the minority, as I've gotten e-mail from people I don't know that've found me writing somewhere about how I'm not a [insert religion here], telling me that I'm going straight to [insert whatever version of the underworld religion believes in].

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 04:11 PM

Why is it called a tv set, when you only get one?

Why is it a building when its already built?

Why does cargo go by ship and shipment go by truck?

Kaylen

12-12-2003, 04:15 PM

I think we can attribute all this stuff to the English language being thought up by two really drunk guys in a pub somewhere west of Yorkshire (in theory).

Coffee

12-12-2003, 04:17 PM

**chuckles**

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 04:19 PM

LOL.

Regarding beliefs, most people find mine to be strange if not EVIL, but I don't really care.

I'm just glad to meet people who won't "inform" me that I'm going to hell when I die. And I thinks it's fun when you can actually discuss religion with people of various faiths and not resort to condemnations and prejudice.....

Dr.Gonzo

12-12-2003, 06:40 PM

No not catholic, presbyterian. Although I was originaly going to go to University of Dallas where they send to the Vaticun for one year of study. I wanted to become a preist/minister because I had something to say, but after a while I realized that in humanities chaotic abillity to conceive of an infinite number of possibitllities for what is, or for some, is the lack of a CREATER, meant that none of us would ever be right. At first I despaired but in some weird twist of logic I became aware that only a infinite number of possibillities could ever come close to defining the expanse that is omnipotence, as well as dissolve any proof of this all-powerfull existence, and became even more depressed until; I began to wonder why do devout people pray everyday, why have people died painfully and horribly for something they believed in, why were great empires built by one religion and tumbled by another? Why do any of these religions contously fight others for who or what, does or doesnt exist?
The religions are templates that are not powerfull enough to contain all of us within one, why would God be any easier confined. It is the lack of this abillity of these templates that brought me to the realization that this life is hard and the gift I have been given is the abillity to choose the beliefs that give me the most comfort and justification. I limit my beliefs into a structure that helps me give form and meaning to something beyond all comprhension, and I do this so I have something that hold close to my heart because I concieve it, but IT is not limited by my conception.

Tenolein

12-12-2003, 07:50 PM

If Lincoln wasn't president, who would be on the penny or the $5 bill?

If it doesn't directly link to me, then I don't care. =D

stuman89

12-12-2003, 08:48 PM

well im gonna be blunt but if u dont accept god into ur heart and accept jesus christ as ur personal lord and savior ur goin to hell.

doesnt get any blunter [im not sure if thats english. &%#* those Yorshire people!!!] this isnt what i 'believe', its what is right. god says it. the bible says that as a christian were not supposed to be tolerent of otehr religions [im not sure but dont hold this to me] but i do becuase i no that humans r stupid and thats y im one

o and by the way if u ever have a question ask me because i no everythig and am never right. or i at least humor myself to be. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *cough cough* help im choking! *thud

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 08:55 PM

correct grammar is "more blunt". And yes, it is what you believe, which doesn't make it right or wrong.

I think some people might be offended by your somewhat incoherent statements.

stuman89

12-12-2003, 08:59 PM

im sorry i have a very very short attention. for example the post i though i was gonna type was gonna be like 5 times longer but i got bored with it. i have to type as fast as i can so i wont just stop typ-

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 09:00 PM

might as well not type at all......

Kaylen

12-12-2003, 09:02 PM

I think Ciarin may be right (about the offensive thing), but to avoid losing my temper, it's a good idea to be tolerant of intolerance on these forums until (if need be - which it likely isn't right now) it is dealth with.

Besides, in his own.. weird little way, I think he meant to come off as inoffensive while expressing his views.

I was going to elaborate on things, but it'd only be flame bait for some people.. I guess this conversation was a bad idea after all.

(I hate starting new pages. argh.)

stuman89

12-12-2003, 09:07 PM

ouch. well at least ur being nice. but what i was saying earlier is that im right and unless u dont think liek me ur wrong because hey im stubborn and a very firm belife.....in what i believe.....

thats basicaly kinda how all of western society was before the US constitution, and maybe if u streech it the magne carta?

ummm i forgot what else iw as gonna type. oy. my brain moves way to fast

stuman89

12-12-2003, 09:09 PM

im not being offensive at all. i was just lettin yall no kinda. if i wanna be offensive then id just show u a picture of my face! ahaha got u! wait.........

but no im not being offensive. lol when i get offensive u will be able to tell

Ciarin

12-12-2003, 09:10 PM

ok, I'm gonna be ignoring this thread now.....before I get myself in trouble...

stuman89

12-12-2003, 09:12 PM

all im tryin to do is incorporate my sick twisted humor into these forms

Keiran

12-12-2003, 09:48 PM

Posts with very bad spelling and grammar burn my eyes, stuman. Can we work on that a bit? :)

Velenka

12-12-2003, 10:23 PM

I don't think it's the sense of humor that is getting to people. I think it's your absolute statements on what is right and what is not right.

Tenolein

12-12-2003, 11:13 PM

Agreed.

Everything that you posted, your right and we're wrong, is YOUR opinion. But hey, thats ok, as the 'Easy Ways' say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

But then again, if you didn't want to be in my sh-er, 'bad' list, then maybe you shouldn't have opened your mouth with that opinion.

I'm not offended by your statements at all. Hell, to be honest, in my opinion, I think you need someone to open your eyes. Not to offend you in any way, of course.

Woody

12-13-2003, 12:51 AM

Stu. Your title, lack of solid english skills, and pointedly aggressive "opinions" have you very close to being kicked off these boards.

You'll either control yourself, or I'll control you.

I strongly advise you to focus before you post again.

This is your first warning.

Kat

12-13-2003, 08:17 AM

< rolls dexterity and wisdom checks to avoid breaking the Easy Ways >

Objective
1. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices
2. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually

Subjective
1. Especially, pertaining to, or derived from, one's own consciousness, in distinction from external observation
2. Particular to a given person; personal

Very important words to remember in almost any conversation on this board.
Opinions are subjective.
Factually substantiated points are Objective.

The dress is red. – Objective
The red dress is ugly. – Subjective

When it comes to a belief system, things can get cloudy. For the believer the belief’s become objective. As a Christian I can see “proof” of God in many things. To someone who does not believe as I do, the things I would present as proof do not prove that there is or is not a God. The birth of a baby, for example, is seen by many as a miraculous, life-affirming event, a gift from God. To others, it is the culmination of cellular development of a fetus brought to full term. To still others, it is both; the later being the physical facilitation of the former.

So I understand someone putting forth his or her belief as “truth”. I even respect that, because it is difficult to maintain. But wisdom and more importantly in this instance, the forum rules, dictate that your presentation be adjusted.

I think that the people here are very tolerant and by and large chose not to express non-constructive criticism of other’s expressions on the board. However, grammar and spelling are always important, especially if you honestly want to voice your heart felt belief. Doing so in a manner we can actually read is a good idea. Representing your faith with poor grammar, spelling, and abusive, abrasive commentary will not help. And you will find in many cases will actually prevent your point from being made and your message received, and respected.

It is my opinion that if you truly believe the teachings of Jesus, you should certainly make His ways your example when presenting your beliefs.

Allpowerfulsam

12-13-2003, 09:14 AM

if someone is beating another guy over the head with a 56k modem, will it take him a really long time to die?

KiTA

12-13-2003, 10:45 AM

No, cause I'd kill him for using my backup modem like that. O.o

(I need it for when my wireless broadband goes down!)

Ciarin

12-13-2003, 12:20 PM

ROFLIMM!

Tenolein

12-13-2003, 03:26 PM

Is the song Frosty the Snowman really a Christmas song? Not once in the song do they mention Christmas or Santa. I say no.

Ciarin

12-13-2003, 04:47 PM

it's a winter holiday song. Since it's secualr it doesn't pertain to the supposed religious connotations of x-mas.

Serresrelic

12-13-2003, 04:57 PM

Kat, you're awesome. I couldn't agree with you more. Very well said.

Meeshter

12-14-2003, 06:10 PM

well im gonna be blunt but if u dont accept god into ur heart and accept jesus christ as ur personal lord and savior ur goin to hell.

I'd rather follow Buddha!!! =P who the hell is this "Jesus" character???

Ciarin

12-14-2003, 06:34 PM

he's kind of popular, I heard they wrote a book about him.

Druidic Elf

12-15-2003, 05:05 AM

Lol, I shouldn't even comment...but I have a random question. Okay, say you took a toaster, plugged it into an RV, and had that RV wired up to a large electrical power plant. If you took that toaster while it was plugged in, and through it in the ocean, what would happen?

And Stu reminds me of my illiterate, mentally unstable friend, lol.

Ciarin

12-15-2003, 05:25 AM

The surge protectors in the power plant would kick and nothing would happen, but you're RV might spark for a bit.

Enchanter

12-15-2003, 05:43 AM

this is one of the best threads ever! so man great quotes.

anyway, If 'god' wanted us to be happy he would have made spiderman real. :(

-I love you spiderman ::blush::-

Ciarin

12-15-2003, 05:55 AM

oh but he is real........

Dr.Gonzo

12-15-2003, 06:05 AM

EDIT: This thread is hitting a little too close to home, so now on to lighter things

Kaylen

12-15-2003, 06:32 AM

Your post seems fine to me, Gonzo. [edit - okay, well, now it's gone..]

People.. from my perspective, join these large, organized groups because they feel safe and justified in their actions. White people that dislike black people join the KKK - they feel their power in numbers, and they justify each other because they all hate black people.

It's a problem that is spreading rapidly, thanks to the internet. Pedophiles group together and think they're all great, because now they're in a group that makes them feel justified.

Some people who are members of organized religion use the religion to justify their hate. They figure if it's in the Bible, or whatever other religious text they adhere to, it's okay for them to interpret it how the want, and every other Christian must feel the same way (in their mind). They think about how large a group they're in, and use it to fuel their hate.

It is not religion, or any other group that fuels hate. It is the person. They hate. But people who feel hate so irrationally need to be justified in their actions, or they become timid, because though they hate, they do not want to be hated. People use the Bible to justify all kinds of hate - hatred of homosexuals. Hatred of people who do not follow their version of God. If it's in the Bible, you can hate it.

But what kind of a person would follow a hate-filled, persecuting God? Why would you want that? Their version of God sounds more like my version of Satan.

I was using Christianity as an example, and am by no means saying many Christians act this way. Most of the people posting to this thread have views I can respect.

I do not know why people hate. It almost seems to be human nature. As long as there is hate, people will hate anything that is different from them.

The idea of God in the true sense appeals to me. I think it's good that people can believe in something that helps them be better people. I just don't feel it myself.

I don't know if this post had a point.. hmm.

[edit again: this post doesn't make much sense without the post above.. but it was on topic at one point, I promise]

Coffee

12-15-2003, 09:31 AM

That's a good question though; why do people hate?
The first time I'd known hate, real hate, was just after 11-9-01, after the shock subsided a little. I did not like that. Made me feel...dirty. I cannot imagine anyone actually deciding to feel that way.

Meeshter

12-15-2003, 10:40 AM

I wanna end the hate... I want to see a white guy and a black guy live in peace together...
I wanna see a black guy talk to a white guy with out the Cracka-ness...

Ciarin

12-15-2003, 01:42 PM

um....that happens...everyday. I'm not saying that it happens everywhere, but there are plenty of people who are black and white or any color and they don't hate each other. My former roomates were a black guy and a white guy and they've been best friends since childhood.

And why people hate is because of several reasons, they are ignorant, and/or were taught ignorance since childhood, they're afraid, and personal preference.