EQ2 - Mentoring System?

[Vayde]

So my friend and I are now looking towards EQ2 for a fix on a PvP server. He only has minimal amount of time to play in comparison to me so I was wondering if the EQ2 mentoring system still exists what with all the new changes, and if anyone has experience using it and could detail if theres any little quirks I should know about.

Thanks!

[BorusWintersong]

I know it exists, but that’s as far as I can get, as I still don’t understand how it works. I only know I seen some people acting as mentors and inspecting them will show their actual level between parenthesis at the side of their normal class/level label.

I’m very curious on how this feature works as well. I know people keep their normal level armor equipped, but don’t know if it becomes less effective.

Question to add here: Do you get limited to spells/skills by your actual level? If so I guess this is a reason to go back and attempt mastering every spell of the most useful lines?

[Almeric]

On the PVP SERVERS, mentoring has been disabled. I think you can still use it inside instances, but that's it. I don't follow PVP enough to know all the details on what was going wrong, but somewhere along the line, mentoring was being exploited to wreak havoc in the world.

On the normal servers, PVP is working fabulously, and I've been using it a LOT since the recent revamp :)

A couple updates ago, the mentoring system got a boost wherein your spells/combat abilities now scale down with your level. In the past, you would have to make new hotbars for your mentored level every time. Your equipment has always scaled down with you, however.

One kinda crazy thing about the revamp (and maybe this has something to do with the PVP problems) is that ALL your skills scale down. Example: My Monk is level 54. At level 50, Monks get a 6 second stifle attack. If I mentor down to 25, I STILL have the stifle attack, which makes me a lot more powerful than any other Monk that level.

A side note about equipment: Quality level stays the same. If I'm wearing all T5/T6 Legendary gear and then mentor down, my equipment is still at least as good as Legendary stuff for my mentored level.

[junior]

One thing to keep in mind is that the rate of exp gain is affected. The player that is being mentored gets a small (5 or 10%) bonus to exp gained, while the player mentoring gets a fairly hefty penalty (50%, iirc) to rate of exp gain.

[BorusWintersong]

The mentor gets a penalty against what?

I mean, if a level 50 character (theatrical numbers) got 100xp from an even level enemy, and a level 10 character got 10xp from an even level enemy, once mentored down to level 10, would his xp per kill be 5 or 50?

[Insomniac]

It would be half of what a character of the same level would get. For this example, it would be 5. However, I think the penalty is actually less than fifty percent. But still....getting xp at all for mobs that would usually be grey to you....

[Almeric]

The penalty you receive while mentoring someone is based off the level difference between where you started and where you end up. If you're level 40 and mentor someone level 37, you will probably get about 75% of your normal exp gains. If you're level 40 and mentor someone level 25, it'll be more like 50%. If you're level 65 and mentor someone level 10, you're looking at somewhere around a 90-95% penalty. If you're going to ding level 70 in the Peat Bog, expect it to take a VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME ;)

(yes, it's been done. By a dev. Just to prove it was possible, though agonizing)

[Shinma]

Also, when you mentor down to someone, you still get all of your skills you have availiable at your current level. Even if you mentor do a level lower than said skill. The effectiveness is "scaled" to your current level, but there are very strong skills that still maintain much of thier effectiveness while mentored.


As for the mentoring on pvp servers.. It was removed to prevent griefing. Basically, a high level group (at the time mid 40's) would mentor much lower to the teens or so. Then they would all of the sudden unmentor when engaged. (A huge flaw in the pvp system is that in most non-expansion zones, you can only attack someone within 8 levels of you) Since the lower level party, in this case the mid 20s, party is currently engaged, the level 40s would just unmentor and dominate.

They could have come to a solution much better than simply removing it. For example if someone in the group unmentors, (or leaves the party thereby unmentoring) the encounter could "break" similar to a feign death on the pve servers, and the mid 40s in this case would not be able to re-engage. Meh, just a thought.

[Kallysti]

One kinda crazy thing about the revamp (and maybe this has something to do with the PVP problems) is that ALL your skills scale down. Example: My Monk is level 54. At level 50, Monks get a 6 second stifle attack. If I mentor down to 25, I STILL have the stifle attack, which makes me a lot more powerful than any other Monk that level.

Yup, at 50 my Troub got his first mez (mez, not charm) and it works nicely at level 10 still *grin*

I believe there's a message that flashes on the screen when you mentor someone, about how much your exp will be reduced (or was it how much the other person's is raised?). I do know there's a message if you hover the mouse cursor over your xp bar.

And because I didn't see it mentioned (I do just scan some of these briefly when I'm at work, so I may have missed it) the way you initiate mentoring is when you're grouped (and in the same zone), you right click the person's name in the group window. Should be a "mentor" option if you're the higher level character.

[junior]

I don't remember if there was a message or not, but it shows the exp modifier if you mouse over your exp bar.

[Kaylen]

On the PVP SERVERS, mentoring has been disabled. I think you can still use it inside instances, but that's it. I don't follow PVP enough to know all the details on what was going wrong, but somewhere along the line, mentoring was being exploited to wreak havoc in the world.

One kinda crazy thing about the revamp (and maybe this has something to do with the PVP problems) is that ALL your skills scale down. Example: My Monk is level 54. At level 50, Monks get a 6 second stifle attack. If I mentor down to 25, I STILL have the stifle attack, which makes me a lot more powerful than any other Monk that level.

Yup, at 50 my Troub got his first mez (mez, not charm) and it works nicely at level 10 still *grin*

These are probably the reasons mentoring is disabled on PvP servers.